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all right welcome back to another

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amazing episode of UAP studies podcast I

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am Louis Borges joining me as always my

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illustrious co-host Jason gilmet how are

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you buddy hey I'm doing good this is a

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good Sunday we have a great guest today

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absolutely we say that a lot and it's

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because it's true a lot Our Guest today

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is very recognizable figure he spent

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decades uh you know giving his hard work

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and Blood Sweat and Tears into what he

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finds to be interesting what drives him

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uh he is the founding curator the Joseph

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Campbell archives he's a PhD he's

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appeared on very popular television

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shows such as Ancient Aliens and The

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Unexplained with William Shatner so

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without further Ado we want to extend a

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very warm welcome to Our Guest Jonathan

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Young Jason great to be here I I'm very

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impressed with the list of guests you

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have had listened to the uh Jacques

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Valley episode and you had a therapist

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from Colorado schlimmer I think his name

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was yes yeah very interesting angle yeah

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yeah we're not just the nuts and bolts

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UFO show so to speak

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um you know this is a a phenomenon that

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covers many many different areas and you

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know Specialties and it seems the more

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into it you get and the more credible

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people you speak to we now are getting

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into the realm of like Consciousness and

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quantum theory and everything else and

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you look at it that you know is this

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something that's new not really because

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if you compare to the ancient stories

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and you know every uh every ancient

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civilization has always looked to the

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heavens for some type of inspiration or

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and they felt it important enough to

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create rituals around that and pass that

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on to Future generations and to even to

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this day you know we have a birth ritual

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we have a death ritual there's a

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marriage ritual so ceremony is very

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integral to us and we wanted to have

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somebody on who's a psychologist

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somebody who might offer a different

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um mental aspect of this and maybe give

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our viewers some information they

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weren't otherwise thinking of and uh so

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like like I said we like to cover the

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whole full spectrum well if you go out

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get away from light pollution and go out

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and look at the night sky you'll have a

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religious experience it's extraordinary

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yeah you know I live in a big city with

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a lot of light so I see only a little

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bit of it but uh we can see why the

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myths had to do with Sky visitors

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definitely definitely so what got you

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interested in this whole field uh and

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wanting to be a psychologist in the

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first place uh oh problems I went to

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therapy and it helped so I said that

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that looks like a cool thing to do so I

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worlds I'm I'm within the schools of

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thought that are called depth psychology

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people think of Freud and Jung this is

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the unconscious not all psychologists

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are interested in that but that's the

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area that I work in so it's all about

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Hidden Worlds and the influence of

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things we cannot see and and uh it's

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exciting it's it's an adventure I also

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grow very religious fundamentalists I

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went to a church-related college they're

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about the angels and about our

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connection to the Creator and the Divine

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religious and spiritual life which is

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still strong is more Interfaith and

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comparative and you know I've come away

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from but that early in influence is very

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strong I'm very grateful for it that

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there's more to life than what we see

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there's more to life than getting

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through the day and there are some

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I'm a Seeker like like you guys like a

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lot of people uh who pay attention to

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your wonderful series that want to know

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more and and that's how I got to this

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um working with Joseph Campbell came out

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of my scholarly Life as a professor The

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Graduate Institute that I work at in

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Santa Barbara the Pacifica Graduate

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Institute which is the leading place to

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study Carl Jung's ideas in for clinical

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use uh managed to land the Joseph

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Campbell papers Joseph Campbell was a

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close friend of the graduate program

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things like that so the the archive came

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to this small University and because I

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knew Joseph Campbell the family selected

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me I got to be the curator work with his

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widow and and others that have been very

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close to his Circle and uh the papers

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and collection artifacts and all are now

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where the The Graduate Institute is

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located and it was a big project it

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really had a huge impact on me but

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already had this influence which a lot

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of people will attest to who studied

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studied comparative mythology which is

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artifacts and things but he wanted to

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see what they had in common and that

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resonated with my earlier religious

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background I could see that all the

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images that I had studied in Bible

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interpretations I learned that from

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Joseph Campbell and I had actually gone

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a little sour on religious matters and

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a life of spirituality and I think a lot

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of people who read his work saw a new

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way to to study life's mysteries to

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study the journey which was a big thing

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for him how we would go on an initiatory

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pattern and go through this process of

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transformation so that's that's my my

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story The the television work came out

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of my association with Joseph Campbell

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the producers of ancient alien had done

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a really terrific two-hour special on

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the mythology of Star Wars uh I think it

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was called Star Wars The Legacy revealed

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and it was the first three films and

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number of public figures I remember they

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had Tom Brokaw and uh it's of Interest

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seeing these people just giving their um

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uh Stephen Colbert was on there just

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giving their opinion of the big personal

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effect that Star Wars had on them and of

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course Star Wars is profoundly Mythic

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when Lucas was putting together the

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first screenplay he it wasn't quite

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working he had the general idea but he

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didn't really have a story pattern that

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worked and a friend said have you ever

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read Joseph Campbell and he said well

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yeah in college well go read that again

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because he's got this model that might

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help you with your story and it did he

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copied it directly step by step and that

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and he was forever grateful to uh Joseph

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archives he supported us was on our

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Board of advice so I got to meet him I

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got to work with so we had some problems

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with audio we had a lot of audio

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recordings of Joseph Campbell speaking

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in church halls and not very good

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quality and we said this is valuable

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this but George we can barely hear it he

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says let my guys work on this so we I

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was up at Skywalker Ranch and the audio

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people there were able to bring pristine

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lot of that was released on on CD and

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stuff and we brought books out of that

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strong and I got to comment on in fact

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whole I was a because we were following

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Campbell's stages and I would articulate

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how each section of the movie followed

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that stage of Discovery within the

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hero's journey and it was a very good

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program and then a couple years later

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gun and Giorgio Tsoukalos and they said

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perspective in here get Jonathan on that

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program too and that was 12 years ago

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and there have been all I can't keep

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just fascinating and nobody expected it

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know interesting History Channel we

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don't we didn't know the if the channel

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would uh stay interested or the public

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was it grows and grows and grows in fact

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uh Productions that goes on like are you

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given that free free range to State your

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opinion or do they find that they edit

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psychological significance than they

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want I always say it and the the uh the

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interviewer the cameraman everything oh

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some little bit of what I say will catch

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their interest and they'll put it in but

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they're mostly interested in the details

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of ancient civilization and frankly I

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have to look that all up I'm not really

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a story I'm a psychologist but I can I

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understand it and I understand it from

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working with Campbell these significance

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and the what how ritual opens doors to

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Invisible dimensions and things like

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that I have the general idea and I study

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up on the particular Topic at hand and

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and I could tell they like it because

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they put me on the screen a fair amount

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there's quite a few of us and we know

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conventions alien con great fun and and

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then we we hang out then and you can

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compare notes I I go to some of the

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others um there's one called Contact in

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the desert yes California and it is

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fascinating to compare notes with people

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experience it I'm not an experiencer but

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practice as a psychologist and some

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people come to work with me because of

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the program they know I will have

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respect for their experience and they've

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that you're one of the only guy on the

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show that's somewhat of a skeptic when

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it comes to the whole alien Theory you

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prefer to look at it more in terms of

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Angels or some other type of maybe

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misunderstood phenomenon so give us your

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perspective on you know uh with again

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with Ancient Aliens being the topic

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ancient civilizations the the artifacts

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they've Left Behind The Importance that

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they put on those areas even so much so

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that if there was two Nations at War

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they wouldn't simply you know destroy

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the the landmark and move on they would

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usually rebuild their own so you know

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what are your thoughts on the whole

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ancient mysticism of the world and and

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how that kind of relates to the topic of

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ufology well it

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um secularism is a fairly new idea you

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go back a thousand years everybody's a

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Believer no you you believe some

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slightly different stories in Japan

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versus France but

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um the sense of the Sacred and the sense

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of visitation that we're dealing with

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entities beyond our own skin that's a

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given so the idea that it might not be

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that's that's in human history that's a

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relatively new idea now I do think

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there's something like there's some kind

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of contact going on the debate is what

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is it

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we are in touch with something beyond

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our understanding now it could be Angels

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it could be uh visitors from the future

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some people think it's uh government

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conspiracy that think there are people

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that do know what's going on they're

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just not telling us I I personally don't

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go that down that road so we have

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debates when we get together at these

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conventions I I remember one Eric

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fantonica was on the on the platform and

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the topic was Atlantis and I said

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Atlantis is important it could represent

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a place in the heart that is our highest

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yearning for something better and I'm

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going on very poetically and Eric Van

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down again says it's not a place in the

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heart it's an actual place

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Eric you know it could be both at the

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same time yeah

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so that's where I go fascinated with it

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think it's important I I checked out

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pretty early on uh spam in the can I I

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do not think a spacecraft is coming from

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another galaxy to visit us

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um there might be other ways to travel

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to through time and space so uh okay

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that's that's in Broad terms but we'll

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we'll follow that thread throughout our

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conversation because I've got a lot to

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say on what it might be my own

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speculations the Greeks had a language

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for it

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um in Plato there's the idea of the

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diamonic

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d-a-i-m-o-n-d diamond this is not

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exactly an angel but it's more like an

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angel than like something human it is an

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in-between character energy identity

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personality so in between a kind of a

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go-between and what between what between

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the human and the sacred between us and

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the gods there are couriers

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and and you go through different uh

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cultures and they have different names

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uh if you are uh in the Middle East uh

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the the the the gin or what we call

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Genie yeah this is okay we're in touch

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with something that's beyond human but

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it's not a god it's something else it's

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another category I think visitors

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um UAP

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ET all this Falls in this category and

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you have different variations on artists

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when they say I'm stuck in my novel

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um I'm not I'm not getting on with my

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Muses right now they're not giving me

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anything they have a whole vocabulary of

364
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dealing with something Beyond themselves

365
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they don't usually talk about you know

366
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Jesus didn't give me a page yesterday

367
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they don't blame it on the gods but they

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they focus on the connection how do I

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connect with something beyond my

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understanding but I think this entire

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UAP

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um conversation is in that intermediate

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realm and it is Mystical and um

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confusing it will do things we can that

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don't make sense in terms of physics

376
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well it's not really Bound by physics

377
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it's really in some dimension of its own

378
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so that's my angle I think it adds

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complexity to those big questions you

380
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know like who am I why am I here what

381
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does this all mean where am I going and

382
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then you throw in ancient stories of

383
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visitors and craft and even current ones

384
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it definitely makes it uh a lot harder

385
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to palette right and to really try to

386
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get your teeth into well or you can

387
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think of it as abundance you got a lot

388
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to to draw on yeah some of my clients uh

389
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have had visitation profound visitation

390
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over a period of years often unusual

391
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forms kind of a a silvery you know kind

392
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of like somebody's wearing silver Lemay

393
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but they're not it's their actual color

394
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and things like that and

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um mostly very positive kind of like uh

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you know a vision of the holy mother or

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something that religious people talk

398
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about where there's a real blessing that

399
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this thing happened and they are not

400
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sure whether it was a a thing that

401
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really happened or a dream and my point

402
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is hey a dream is a thing that really

403
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happens

404
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um and it's clearly from Beyond yourself

405
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this is like a a middle-aged woman tells

406
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me that this young male figure in shiny

407
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silver visits her often I'm thinking

408
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you're you're a a lucky Seeker that

409
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that's a blessing that's a fabulous

410
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thing

411
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um what do you get out of it and we

412
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let's let's not debate whether it's real

413
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or not let's go with it something good

414
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is happening there's two

415
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um scenarios when it comes down to alien

416
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abduction it's either good or it's a

417
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negative one it's either they come here

418
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to talk or they come here to do

419
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something

420
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um physically medically to The Entity

421
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what I mention a lot is haven't talked

422
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to people that have been abducted is

423
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that every single time they're on the

424
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ship there is a room specifically

425
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designed for a human to lay down on and

426
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medical devices to come out of the walls

427
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and stuff like that to do experiments on

428
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people and so that's a Common Thread is

429
00:16:55,970 --> 00:16:52,980
that most of these ships have things for

430
00:16:57,889 --> 00:16:55,980
you know medical exams for us

431
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has that been something that has been

432
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throughout history as far as you know

433
00:17:04,370 --> 00:17:02,040
like you know medical exams on people or

434
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is it mostly just a positive you know

435
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experience with entities of somewhere

436
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else

437
00:17:14,689 --> 00:17:10,140
um they're not all positive the the

438
00:17:16,370 --> 00:17:14,699
abduction scenario goes all the way back

439
00:17:20,029 --> 00:17:16,380
um it was a very big thing when

440
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Europeans came to the Americas the

441
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natives would abduct people now a few of

442
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them actually happened

443
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:29,340
but the the the the uh game of telephone

444
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where these stories would travel over to

445
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another area and a person you could even

446
00:17:37,070 --> 00:17:35,100
you could even tell there might be a

447
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scrap of language from one area that

448
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would could that couldn't have happened

449
00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:39,539
over here because that language is from

450
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way over there right it's the story that

451
00:17:49,070 --> 00:17:45,299
traveled but it's a Fascination when

452
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encountering something mysterious we

453
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have this fantasy of abduction right

454
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so I'm a psychologist I'm thinking oh

455
00:17:58,730 --> 00:17:56,880
well clearly

456
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contact was something we do not

457
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understand frightens us so we fear harm

458
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now I warned you that my my interest one

459
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of my big interests in Sci-Fi movies is

460
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that films about UAP because they I

461
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think they depict our various fantasies

462
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and so we have the the the dominating

463
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invading uh torturing kind of uh monster

464
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movies horror movies like The Alien

465
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series Alien aliens and all those and

466
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then we have the kindly visitor helpful

467
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almost Fairy Godmother stories like E.T

468
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and other sort of stories for young

469
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people and things like that well

470
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they reflect our range of emotional

471
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reactions to mystery is it going to hurt

472
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me or is it going to help me and

473
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sometimes in one of the good stories

474
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there's a shift and we realize oh well

475
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they were going to hurt us when we

476
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rolled out all the guns and and

477
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threatened to to you know blow up their

478
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spacecraft but once we stand down

479
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actually they just want to chat

480
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so we realize in in this in the

481
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screenplay and is a fairly common Trope

482
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in in sci-fi films ah oh it's all about

483
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how we manage our own fears right and we

484
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also are afraid of like you know

485
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similarities to what happened with

486
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Cortez and you know uh the Incas and

487
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stuff like that just afraid that there's

488
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going to be a takeover at some point so

489
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it reflects a lot of our own human

490
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of fears and own human Natures as well

491
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we project that upon you know there's an

492
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alien entity if it's a ghost it's always

493
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meaning harm

494
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in the sense of like wanting to make

495
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contact by the same time with its own

496
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intent and I I find that a theme that

497
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reoccurs a lot within Hollywood movies

498
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it's always our own

499
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behaviors that we project upon aliens

500
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right and let me just pick up on the

501
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reference to Cortez most of the people

502
00:20:01,070 --> 00:19:59,580
in the discussion are are part of

503
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Cortez's tribe

504
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that is is our own aggression that we're

505
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afraid of yeah if we had all the power

506
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and could fool the the natives what

507
00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:10,919
would we do would we torture them take

508
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slaves and grab all their gold that's

509
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what our ancestors did yeah yeah

510
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and that's what I'm afraid of for space

511
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exploration with humans if we come

512
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across you know a lesser species than us

513
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are we going to be as uh equally

514
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compassionate towards them as you know

515
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:30,360
some of these abductees have said that

516
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these entities are really compassionate

517
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,320
we mentioned it many times whenever they

518
00:20:37,610 --> 00:20:35,760
take somebody they don't launch them out

519
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of the airlocks and say well we don't

520
00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:39,780
need that anymore they replace people

521
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and from what I understand from some of

522
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these abductions are even tucked back

523
00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:46,620
into bed which to me shows compassion

524
00:20:51,770 --> 00:20:50,100
shows some sort of level of of Love or

525
00:20:52,930 --> 00:20:51,780
at least wanting to take care of it

526
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right

527
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I just tend to be an optimist my guess

528
00:21:00,110 --> 00:20:57,840
is something good will come of this it

529
00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:00,120
is always scary to encounter something

530
00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:02,580
really strange and this is really we

531
00:21:07,789 --> 00:21:05,460
need to underscore again and again this

532
00:21:09,890 --> 00:21:07,799
is beyond our understanding we're in a

533
00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:09,900
matrix-like situation here right like

534
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:11,820
film series Matrix what we're dealing

535
00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:15,360
with is so far beyond our grasp and uh

536
00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:17,400
the other one that I like is more recent

537
00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:20,700
is is a rival that the language system

538
00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:23,820
they're using it well I mean the the

539
00:21:29,450 --> 00:21:26,460
movie was unrealistic because one of us

540
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,460
now a genius Professor but still one of

541
00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:31,200
us actually figures out a way to

542
00:21:36,049 --> 00:21:33,720
communicate the likelihood of that is

543
00:21:37,789 --> 00:21:36,059
really small it's a movie so it's you

544
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:37,799
know we needed to accomplish that in two

545
00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:41,280
hours but boy if we if we get formal

546
00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:43,380
contact that is that we're able to

547
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,200
engage in a collective way not just the

548
00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:48,720
isolated visits but really get into the

549
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:51,299
conversation it's going to be a job to

550
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:53,100
figure out how to communicate

551
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,900
and speaking of that technology

552
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,400
difference like what do you think about

553
00:22:00,529 --> 00:21:58,080
some of these ancient ruins do you think

554
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,539
that they were Us in the past and we

555
00:22:04,909 --> 00:22:02,880
just lost some of that technology or the

556
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,919
the scale of how to do it or do you

557
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:06,960
believe you know like the Sphinx or the

558
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,940
Great Pyramids doesn't seem to line up

559
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,559
with the type of tools they had at the

560
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,840
time and I mean people have explained

561
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,640
yeah you could use rollers and this and

562
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,080
that but if you look at some of the

563
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:17,760
other ruins around the world like ball

564
00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:21,059
back or whatever they have many many you

565
00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:22,740
know stones that are way larger than

566
00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:24,780
anything even in Egypt hundreds of tons

567
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,820
so like what are your thoughts do you

568
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,799
think that's us yeah I'm struck by ball

569
00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:30,720
back I've been there and the the some of

570
00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:34,020
those stone slabs are are just insane we

571
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,580
would have a very hard time moving them

572
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:37,200
now and they didn't put them on the

573
00:22:39,950 --> 00:22:38,400
ground they put them in the middle of

574
00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:39,960
the structure you know if you wanted to

575
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:41,820
go for easy you'd build with bricks like

576
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:43,740
we do nowadays why do you need

577
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,520
monolithic stones that are 600 tons that

578
00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:49,039
said uh

579
00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:51,179
there's something in science and

580
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:53,640
intellectual history called nowism where

581
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,880
we assume that that what we do now is

582
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,280
the Pinnacle there are a lot of aspects

583
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,919
to it the ancient Egyptians had good

584
00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:02,880
math

585
00:23:09,470 --> 00:23:06,900
and they had time the entire culture

586
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,480
everyone in the place was totally

587
00:23:14,029 --> 00:23:12,000
devoted we say it was done by slaves no

588
00:23:16,010 --> 00:23:14,039
they were willing volunteers yeah they

589
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,020
wanted to do this for religious reasons

590
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,520
they were willing to take their their

591
00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:19,919
off time and being agricultural there

592
00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:21,720
were blocks of off time and they would

593
00:23:25,789 --> 00:23:23,640
come in and work voluntarily and and

594
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:25,799
make a small dent in this huge project

595
00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:29,460
well if you can mobilize everyone and

596
00:23:34,669 --> 00:23:32,280
the entire resources of a really

597
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:34,679
brilliant and Rich civilization you can

598
00:23:39,649 --> 00:23:37,740
do stuff you can't do amazing stuff so I

599
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:39,659
have I think it's a little disrespectful

600
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:42,120
to our ancestors to say well they

601
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:43,380
couldn't have done this without

602
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:47,220
computers well with patients I actually

603
00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:49,500
think they could have yeah and brilliant

604
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,539
people because I mean at the time it was

605
00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:54,240
facing True North uh when the north was

606
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,179
there I mean obviously the uh what is it

607
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:59,520
the uh pole is moving or something like

608
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:01,260
that the electrical magnetic

609
00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:04,140
but um yeah it was pointing True North I

610
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,360
mean that dedication to will to say

611
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:08,640
every brick was measured

612
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:11,340
to make sure that it was accurate uh

613
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:12,840
that is dedication and even we're

614
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:14,760
talking with Louis uh not that long ago

615
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:16,620
we're mentioning how people didn't live

616
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,600
that long back in the days I mean like

617
00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:20,760
24 was the average lifespan for people

618
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,400
yeah so to devote a big chunk of your

619
00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:25,860
life towards something like that uh that

620
00:24:30,289 --> 00:24:28,500
shows great dedication and yes still not

621
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,299
no proof that it was slaves or anything

622
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,159
like that that built them it shows

623
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:35,039
compassion and and wanting to make

624
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:38,460
a great Monument right so yeah you're

625
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:41,640
right well what you know what is our

626
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:44,400
what is our God what we do with our best

627
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:46,620
life and what we do what we do is try to

628
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:49,020
survive we need we need uh food we need

629
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,179
shelter we need you know we once you

630
00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:53,760
manage that what do you do with the rest

631
00:25:00,049 --> 00:24:57,000
well you devote it to your art or your

632
00:25:02,090 --> 00:25:00,059
beliefs or your God and and there was no

633
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:02,100
debate then there was one great cause

634
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,640
everyone who everybody was on board

635
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:08,400
um so yeah it was an awesome thing that

636
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:11,400
said there are still huge Mysteries well

637
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:14,220
even from my position which is a a bit

638
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:16,740
of a discounting of the of some of the

639
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:19,980
ideas uh still we are wondering how they

640
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,679
did it and and a lot is lost this is an

641
00:25:27,130 --> 00:25:24,240
interesting aspect of intellectual

642
00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:27,140
history it's how much gets lost

643
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:30,299
advances the progress is not linear it's

644
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:33,299
not one step up a ladder after another a

645
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,980
lot of stepping off to the side Allah

646
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:37,440
lot of totally losing a good idea

647
00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:39,539
because it became Politically Incorrect

648
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,700
somehow or some somebody else was a

649
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,919
better salesman so they sold they sold

650
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:46,080
some bunk that was a bad idea but we

651
00:25:48,890 --> 00:25:47,580
followed it for a few hundred years and

652
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:48,900
then we were wait a second this doesn't

653
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:50,940
work what was that other idea we used to

654
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:53,940
have uh so but we're very sloppy right

655
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,100
and and this is this is what's

656
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,320
fascinating in history is to go back

657
00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:00,659
looking for lost treasures because there

658
00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:02,760
are a lot of them and even from an

659
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,100
organic level certain things just don't

660
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,960
age well you know like you can't really

661
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:09,360
carbon date stone if you're looking for

662
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:11,880
pottery around the Sphinx well if it's

663
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:13,380
you know five or ten thousand years

664
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,200
older than most Scholars think it is the

665
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:18,240
likelihood of finding anything is slim

666
00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:19,559
to none you know eventually everything

667
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:22,380
turns back into dust and it doesn't

668
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,360
always leave that that historical

669
00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:26,640
signature so to get correct information

670
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:29,100
or for someone to say no the Sphinx is

671
00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:31,380
definitely this many years old you don't

672
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:34,140
know and I think it was um Robert shock

673
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:36,059
that said that looks like water erosion

674
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,460
around the feet not wind damage and if

675
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,500
it's water erosion it's way older than

676
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:43,020
they they ever thought you know so the

677
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,820
more scientific we get and the better

678
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:47,279
instrumentation we have we can do better

679
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,620
quantitative you know testing and it's

680
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,840
like whoa this is even crazier than we

681
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,279
initially thought

682
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:56,640
now also in this these these artifacts

683
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,860
are all kinds of carvings and evidence

684
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:01,440
that there were visitations that the god

685
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,740
came and were among them well now what's

686
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:07,020
that all about and that we we get into

687
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:09,720
that in the Ancient Aliens TV program

688
00:27:15,529 --> 00:27:12,900
often this idea that uh different

689
00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:15,539
cultures had visitations often from the

690
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:17,820
skies sometimes in craft of some kind

691
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,760
maybe they depicted it in some place

692
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,559
something culturally appropriate so you

693
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:24,480
have a flying Chariot or something that

694
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:26,580
they could understand but basically

695
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:28,620
they're dealing with something they they

696
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:31,679
have a hard time grasping okay sentient

697
00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:33,659
beings of some kind advanced

698
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,659
intelligence comes up from the sky and

699
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:38,460
interacts with us often leaving some

700
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,860
kind of blessing now and then they're

701
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:42,720
sort of terrifying Dragon figures or

702
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:45,299
something but more often than not okay

703
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,419
whatever that is we want it we want to

704
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:50,640
study that to see anything we can do to

705
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:53,100
facilitate that we're interested in and

706
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:55,740
and try to get past our religious

707
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:58,559
prejudices that if it's never been

708
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:00,419
mentioned in our Bible therefore it

709
00:28:03,889 --> 00:28:02,340
can't be possible hell with that I want

710
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,899
to look at everybody's Bible everybody's

711
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:05,120
scripture

712
00:28:09,889 --> 00:28:07,559
anything that's happened let's let's be

713
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,899
open there's so many similarities if you

714
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,480
look at religions globally like whether

715
00:28:16,909 --> 00:28:14,640
you're a Christian a Jew a Muslim the

716
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:16,919
list goes on and on to be good to your

717
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:19,679
edicts and to your philosophies you have

718
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:21,299
to maintain that same level of character

719
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,539
no religion says murder is okay or theft

720
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,600
or you know committing adultery or you

721
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:29,520
know worshiping idols and that type of

722
00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:31,320
thing they all seem to have the same

723
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,659
basic tenants if you're a good person

724
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:36,000
then you're good to whatever religion

725
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,340
you happen to believe in and it's almost

726
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:40,799
like there were many Messengers to reach

727
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:42,360
all the different areas of the globe but

728
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:43,799
fundamentally they all say the same

729
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:46,380
thing well there's great Common Grounds

730
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,640
there are some differences that are

731
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,640
worth studying differences in in ritual

732
00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:52,980
which we which is really kind of a

733
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:56,039
spiritual technology a way to open doors

734
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:58,260
to Greater Consciousness and there and

735
00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:01,080
and uh you know Western mysticism has

736
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:03,240
developed some fascinating things that

737
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:07,140
Saint Teresa of Avila has uh I uh I I

738
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,000
kind of got an imagery a way to go into

739
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:11,279
unseen worlds she called the interior

740
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:13,799
Castle but there are techniques in Asia

741
00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,260
that we really never did stumble upon so

742
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:18,659
this is where comparative studies are

743
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:21,539
really worth our time and we were

744
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:23,640
talking about wars as well earlier

745
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:26,220
saying how Wars usually when there's

746
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,960
Invasion from another country and

747
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:29,580
they're there for quite some time tend

748
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:32,640
to dissolve and destroy the

749
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:36,480
old traditions or oral histories of the

750
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:37,860
people that are live there I'm thinking

751
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,419
about the French and the English how the

752
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:41,279
French really shaped the English

753
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,039
language now and destroyed a lot of the

754
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:46,559
English History uh

755
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:48,779
it's that's what we were talking about

756
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:51,299
earlier how you know it's very easy to

757
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:53,580
lose stuff from our past when there's

758
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,559
constantly War we destroy everything

759
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:57,600
there's looting like Louis was

760
00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:00,059
mentioning earlier uh people come and

761
00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:02,460
and loot old artifacts and sell them so

762
00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:04,919
we lose a lot of the history from our

763
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:06,200
past

764
00:30:12,529 --> 00:30:10,020
the Taliban uh blew up some uh uh

765
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:12,539
ancient Buddhist statues because they're

766
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:14,340
you know well Buddhism is wrong because

767
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:17,460
with their their their Islam so uh the

768
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:19,860
the the the brutal the brutal tendency

769
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:24,299
does smash particularly imagery there's

770
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:26,820
a great fear during the the Inquisition

771
00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:29,100
there was a smashing of a lot of statues

772
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:32,580
they called it idolatry but imagery is a

773
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,240
depiction of the imagination and that

774
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:39,000
tends to scare the high priest and and

775
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:41,820
the and the very very reactionary

776
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:45,000
faithful because it has a kind of

777
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:48,419
autonomy the imagination doesn't always

778
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:52,200
attend uh religious school it it sort of

779
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,320
goes in its own directions it's Lively

780
00:31:01,009 --> 00:30:57,840
and and that kind of scares people who

781
00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:01,019
like rules and Order and and guilt so

782
00:31:04,669 --> 00:31:02,760
there's always been this tension in

783
00:31:06,769 --> 00:31:04,679
pretty much every religious tradition

784
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:06,779
and now and then you'll have an upheaval

785
00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:10,380
and a lot of valuable images are lost

786
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:12,600
you see that in ancient Egyptian culture

787
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:14,940
where I think it was Akhenaten and he's

788
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:17,100
like scrubbed from almost every single

789
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:19,980
hieroglyph he was ever in either by his

790
00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:22,260
predecessor or whatever but there's been

791
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:24,500
certain people that have been noticeably

792
00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:27,179
removed from history and not just the

793
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:28,919
name but like you said their likeness

794
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:32,039
that that visual which will always give

795
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,720
you that same answer in the imagination

796
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,000
if it's if you're an enigma and if it's

797
00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:37,679
just a name people kind of draw their

798
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,539
own conclusion but if it's a pitcher and

799
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:41,640
a likeness that seems to be a lot more

800
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:43,380
intimidating to somebody that's trying

801
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:46,740
to make you go away so so we we go in

802
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:49,080
with the scraps of broken things we try

803
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,480
to piece together sections that that

804
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:53,039
we're missing sometimes missing

805
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,600
intentionally and that that's a

806
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:56,159
particularly interesting story what the

807
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:59,399
Pharaoh probably the error is not only

808
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,840
moved something toward a new religion

809
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,600
but that pulled power away from a very

810
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:06,360
strong Priestly cast yeah and and he

811
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,799
didn't live that long so as soon as he's

812
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:10,320
gone the Old Guard pulls back in Smash

813
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,340
is all his images and and restores the

814
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,080
ancient wisdom but really is the wisdom

815
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,360
that gave power to them which is the the

816
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:21,600
topic of the play between religion and

817
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,080
power and religion as inspiration as

818
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,360
vision is very valuable and useful

819
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:30,000
religion has oppressive power it's

820
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:32,039
really suspicious and that comes back to

821
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:33,240
what we were talking about earlier about

822
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,179
are these visitations kindly or not well

823
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:38,880
if you imagine they're trying to control

824
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,880
us that's not so friendly if they've

825
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,460
come to inspire us it is and how much of

826
00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:46,320
that is projection of our own control

827
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:49,260
problems versus our own more kindly

828
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,340
visions

829
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:52,320
yeah before the people that were the the

830
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:54,539
scholars or the shaman they were the

831
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:56,760
only literate people in the culture so

832
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,679
the heads of church and state were the

833
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,240
only people that were giving you the

834
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,159
news and as somebody who doesn't know

835
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:04,320
any better it was very easy to use that

836
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,360
for not so nice purposes if you wanted

837
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:09,120
to control people through fear of God's

838
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:11,880
Wrath hey you're also the uh the the

839
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:14,640
official representative of deity and you

840
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:16,919
can easily get that message across a

841
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,140
power corrupts and there's a lot of

842
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,539
power if you come on it's a Finagle a

843
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:23,760
way to say you're speaking for God yeah

844
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,860
I I mentioned growing up fundamentalists

845
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:28,380
Evangelical I'm fascinated with all the

846
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:31,019
scandals and I still watch the TV

847
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,240
evangelist first of all they put on a

848
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,460
good show and I love the music but but

849
00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:37,440
and then and then just a matter of time

850
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,539
I mean the most recent was the president

851
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,880
of Liberty University Jerry Falwell Jr

852
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:44,399
you know and you know and the Fall From

853
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:47,820
Grace it's it's Greek tragedy here is

854
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:51,240
somebody in a very influential position

855
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:52,980
um I mean doing something that he cares

856
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:55,019
about and messes up messes up with you

857
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:56,820
know tawdry's sexual escapades and

858
00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:59,460
things you say well well you get a big

859
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:01,980
head it's called grandiosity Uh or

860
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:04,200
narcissism and you don't think straight

861
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:08,040
and one of the ways to look at it is

862
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:10,740
that you have you have muddled the line

863
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:12,780
between what is reasonable human

864
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:15,000
activity and what really should belong

865
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:17,159
to the gods and that is the way the

866
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:19,560
ancient Greeks and many other Traditions

867
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,540
saw it that we need to be very careful

868
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,000
when dealing with large ideas that we

869
00:34:27,790 --> 00:34:26,399
don't get too self-important as if it's

870
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:27,800
about me

871
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:30,119
representing a religion is never about

872
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,520
the preacher it's about the God it's

873
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:34,320
about the teachings the ethics the all

874
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:37,379
of that and it gets scrambled often if

875
00:34:41,569 --> 00:34:39,480
you fly too close to the Sun you'll melt

876
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:41,579
your wings if you try to be too Godly

877
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:43,859
you're very quickly pointed out to be

878
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:45,540
just another sinning human being right

879
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:47,879
and the guys like Jimmy Swaggart and the

880
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,800
Bakers and all the other televangrical

881
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:52,079
tell televangelists that have kind of

882
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,940
fallen from Grace but when we do the

883
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:55,440
same thing with celebrities too right we

884
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,700
want to pump them up and put them on

885
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,380
that Podium and as soon as they're up

886
00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:00,240
there we want to shoot them off so maybe

887
00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:01,440
that's just something within the human

888
00:35:06,589 --> 00:35:03,240
condition that we're just prone to doing

889
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:06,599
this uh um one of my day jobs is

890
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,460
teaching professional ethics for mental

891
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:10,260
health you know psychologists and the

892
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:13,079
like and it's not a it's not that

893
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,000
powerful position it's not like being a

894
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,280
general or a extremely wealthy person

895
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:20,400
but in the life of that one patient at

896
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,140
that one moment there is a fair amount

897
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,240
of influence and it's terribly important

898
00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:26,880
that the professional the doctor stays

899
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:30,060
very humble and represents a tradition

900
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:31,980
and all the research is not that the

901
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:33,720
doctors so damn brilliant is that

902
00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:36,180
somebody did some studies that that he

903
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:38,700
or she got to read and that they they it

904
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:40,440
comes out their mouth because they're in

905
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:43,560
the job right then celebrities are not

906
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:45,720
Gods they're just good actors singers

907
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:48,839
dancers whatever but we we're kind of

908
00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:51,060
short of gods these days in culture so

909
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,339
they get elevated a little beyond what

910
00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:56,160
is good for the human soul

911
00:36:01,790 --> 00:35:59,099
virtually every religion has a teaching

912
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,800
about humility the Quakers were

913
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,900
particularly good at it but the the Zen

914
00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:06,480
is good at it too and why is that

915
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:08,339
necessary because if you're interested

916
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:10,680
in the gods you'll you'll lose your

917
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,260
balance you will you'll get you'll get

918
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:15,359
carried away with it and you need a

919
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:17,640
little mechanism ritual activity that

920
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:20,220
will bring you back to Earth chop wood

921
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:23,339
carry water in my life it's clean out

922
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:25,380
the cat box you you know if you get a

923
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:27,000
little too full of yourself the cat the

924
00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:28,680
stink of the cat box will bring me right

925
00:36:33,849 --> 00:36:32,180
back down to the instinctual level yeah

926
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:33,859
Bulldog

927
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:36,180
speaking of ritual getting you to zero

928
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:38,099
that's basically the ethos of the

929
00:36:43,069 --> 00:36:40,140
Buddhist religion you know going through

930
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:43,079
that everyday ritualistic trying to

931
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:45,420
attain that Nirvana similar to Buddha

932
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,880
you know and you take in other aspects

933
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:50,640
of it like maybe fasting or depriving

934
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,220
yourself of certain things meditating

935
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:55,680
you're trying to just quiet the mind and

936
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,260
get to that zero so it's not like that's

937
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,720
our default setting we have to do work

938
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:03,119
to get to that you know we uh it's an

939
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:05,400
application of a ritual and a process

940
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:08,460
that has come from before you know and

941
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,200
we're capable of losing our footing

942
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:12,000
we're capable of getting off track it's

943
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:13,380
terribly important to remember that

944
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:15,180
especially we're talking large ideas

945
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:16,859
here we're talking about UAP we're

946
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:19,140
talking about visions and visitation big

947
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,240
big stuff well you can get a little

948
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:23,760
wacky you need to really be sober about

949
00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:26,579
about what what what did I actually see

950
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,619
how much do I really know let me not

951
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:30,420
embroider the story let me try to keep

952
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,579
Simple keep in mind Humanity here right

953
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:34,920
it's you know and I often mentioned that

954
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,599
about the alien abduction it's either

955
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:39,359
that it's a new mental illness that is

956
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,640
out there that's rampant it's either a

957
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,040
lie that everybody's contributing to

958
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:46,800
or it's actually happening

959
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:50,520
okay let me take that one off sure

960
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:53,880
um that's that's uh polarizing thinking

961
00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:56,220
okay something is either this or that

962
00:38:03,050 --> 00:37:58,859
and in my humble seldom humble opinion

963
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:03,060
it is very rarely that simple

964
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:05,339
um almost everything is some mingling

965
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:07,560
like my argument with Vandana Can it can

966
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,220
be both things at the same time

967
00:38:15,650 --> 00:38:13,440
and then it gets much more complicated

968
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:15,660
and when once you once you put it that

969
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:18,780
way it's much it's a lot more work okay

970
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,579
so I'm stating an absolute when I

971
00:38:25,150 --> 00:38:23,220
shouldn't be right right that kind of a

972
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:25,160
problem with that gotcha

973
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,540
and that's usually put forward by

974
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,579
somebody who's enthusiastic and wants to

975
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:31,680
argue that it's that is true I would

976
00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:33,900
rather to use an old legal term I would

977
00:38:38,569 --> 00:38:36,839
like to stipulate let's agree that

978
00:38:40,849 --> 00:38:38,579
something's true something big is

979
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:40,859
happening and not debate that point like

980
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:43,079
that and get into the mud which is what

981
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:45,300
the heck is it well what do we got here

982
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:48,300
and and my uh my sad report is I think

983
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,280
we might have several things happening

984
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,040
at the same time and first of all as you

985
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,680
know interested in older cultures these

986
00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:57,480
are the leprechauns these are the

987
00:39:01,970 --> 00:39:00,119
menohoney in Hawaii these are the DeVos

988
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:01,980
the the little people have been with us

989
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,680
for a long a lot longer than than flying

990
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:06,480
saucer stories or anything from the

991
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:09,720
skies what the heck and and we get into

992
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,160
that a little bit in the Ancient Aliens

993
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:13,200
television programs and things there are

994
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,520
all these stories I'm particularly

995
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:17,040
interested in in genie in the gym the

996
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:19,020
these these intermediate characters in

997
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:20,940
the Middle Eastern Traditions who

998
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:22,980
sometimes could be dangerous you had to

999
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:25,619
treat them right they were powerful but

1000
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,140
they could do things for you and we have

1001
00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:30,000
you know the pop I love jokes and

1002
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:31,320
there's lots of jokes about somebody who

1003
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:33,780
finds a a lamp and dusts it off and a

1004
00:39:36,829 --> 00:39:35,160
genie comes out and then you have the

1005
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:36,839
quandary and they're they're funny

1006
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:38,820
because you the in the joke you always

1007
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:41,099
mess it up you know you don't answer the

1008
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:43,260
you don't use the three questions wisely

1009
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,060
because they're little moral tales about

1010
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:47,040
not getting too greedy because it's

1011
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:49,020
going to mess you up you know

1012
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:50,940
and not to fully trust those things

1013
00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:52,680
either the genie might seem like he's

1014
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,599
your friend but you could all he could

1015
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:56,400
be leading you down a path of what you

1016
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:57,780
think is good for you and then be

1017
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,060
careful what you ask for yeah it's kind

1018
00:40:05,329 --> 00:40:01,680
of like the movie bedazzled if you guys

1019
00:40:07,609 --> 00:40:05,339
ever seen that with um uh Brendan Fraser

1020
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:07,619
uh he keeps wishing for different wishes

1021
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:10,020
and the wishes he always screwed up yeah

1022
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:12,780
yeah he becomes a narco trafficker one

1023
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:14,280
time but said he but he can speak

1024
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:17,160
Spanish yeah English anymore he want to

1025
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,900
be rich and Powerful so she made him

1026
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,599
this uh Colombian drug lord with like

1027
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:24,240
this massive nose that does cocaine it's

1028
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:26,040
pretty funny I I recommend that movie

1029
00:40:31,309 --> 00:40:28,920
for sure but you know the cliche careful

1030
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:31,319
what you wish for that's right you know

1031
00:40:35,809 --> 00:40:33,660
and so as we go into these topics it is

1032
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,819
fascinating it's fascinating but it's

1033
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,920
it's powerful stuff

1034
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:40,560
um I I don't think it's Insanity I go to

1035
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,680
these conferences I look around uh the

1036
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:46,079
contact in the desert or alien con or

1037
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:47,579
these various things

1038
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:49,380
um they don't seem like crazy people to

1039
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:50,940
me and I'm a professional in this field

1040
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:54,180
it seems like an average bunch of you

1041
00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:56,520
know if you walk down the main street of

1042
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,460
your town it that's who's there

1043
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:02,160
uh who have maybe seen something or a

1044
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:04,020
lot of them are just fascinated or or

1045
00:41:07,609 --> 00:41:06,180
the wife has seen something but you know

1046
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:07,619
I'm coming along because pretty

1047
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,220
interesting stuff yeah we we yearn for

1048
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:13,680
something Beyond ordinary understanding

1049
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,500
we yearn for Transcendence it's what

1050
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,200
draws people to religion it's also what

1051
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:22,319
draws people to to dangerous sports to

1052
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:25,020
try to push the edge a little bit is it

1053
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:27,180
um possible that ufology can become a

1054
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:28,500
religion

1055
00:41:32,650 --> 00:41:30,359
that it becomes a

1056
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:32,660
I think it is a religion yeah and and

1057
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,000
within scholarly circles there's a an

1058
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:38,880
area called new religious traditions and

1059
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:41,160
it is essentially in a new religion

1060
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:44,280
there are no Gods there are new there

1061
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:47,460
are new realities because a god already

1062
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:49,619
is calling it religious and and actually

1063
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:51,780
it takes a while before a religion

1064
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,140
realizes it is one it's it's just it's

1065
00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:57,599
just new reports of something Joseph

1066
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,099
Campbell thought that the first

1067
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,440
religious impulse was probably in

1068
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,599
Siberia because we can see how the story

1069
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:05,760
seemed to migrate Westward so it's

1070
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:08,220
probably in Siberia in in the what we

1071
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:11,160
call the shamanistic tradition some

1072
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:14,040
medicine man some Siberian Shaman with

1073
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,680
his beard and his furs comes out of his

1074
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:18,780
cave and tells the story of some

1075
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,020
wondrous context well he probably had a

1076
00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:24,000
dream we don't know because he didn't

1077
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:25,319
call it a dream because people didn't

1078
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:27,240
think of dreams as something different

1079
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:29,220
from me it just Well I this happened

1080
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:31,500
well yeah it was oh yeah it was during

1081
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,780
the dark hours and then this other thing

1082
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:35,160
happened and he tells a hunting story

1083
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,800
and it doesn't discriminate one from the

1084
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,599
other as being more real they're both

1085
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,760
real stories but the one that happened

1086
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,160
in the night hours the Dark Hours had

1087
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:46,319
has something come down from the sky a

1088
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:48,900
flying Caribou or something like that so

1089
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,420
we have these reports and they're just

1090
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:52,319
true

1091
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:54,599
and then later maybe our neighbor says

1092
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:56,280
well that's that's you're talking about

1093
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:58,380
your God and then then it gets that kind

1094
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:00,660
of language to it so something new is

1095
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:03,960
happening some new image of the

1096
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,819
extraordinary and what's interesting

1097
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,400
about UAP is that it tends to weave in

1098
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:10,079
modern technology

1099
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,020
the other religions around here Islam

1100
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,720
Christianity Judaism Zen the various

1101
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,000
things we have to choose from tend to

1102
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,640
have an oldish quality they they the

1103
00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:22,440
stories have people in old-fashioned

1104
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:24,359
clothing and stuff like that so they it

1105
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:26,220
gets a little Dusty

1106
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:28,440
well let's heck with that we'll have

1107
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,300
technology not only technology that's up

1108
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:31,920
to speed with what we actually have but

1109
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,819
beyond that it's technology beyond what

1110
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,160
we know right okay that gets a whole

1111
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,920
modern thing so that seems more real for

1112
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,240
now

1113
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:45,359
so yeah I do think that the whole uip is

1114
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:47,400
is a new religion and since I think

1115
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:49,619
religion is a positive event in human

1116
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,020
history uh that's a good thing

1117
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,660
okay it's a means to explain the

1118
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:56,160
Unexplained and I think that's what

1119
00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:58,200
religion its primary function is you

1120
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,819
know again how do you answer those big

1121
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:01,920
questions of life you create a system

1122
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,800
that you can tell stories symbolism all

1123
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:07,140
the rest and uh by going through that

1124
00:44:11,809 --> 00:44:09,780
initiative right eventually you get sort

1125
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:11,819
of a bit of an understanding of things

1126
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:14,520
as well as we know it but it also kind

1127
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:16,140
of caters to the brain wanting to

1128
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,180
compartmentalize everything and make

1129
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,400
sense of everything and not have any or

1130
00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:22,800
too many unknowns we don't like to know

1131
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,720
that

1132
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,160
it's a paradox because religion does

1133
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:28,319
explain a lot that helps it also has a

1134
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:30,300
whole system for acknowledging there is

1135
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:32,940
a body of information beyond our grasp

1136
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,180
whether it's about God and Heaven and

1137
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:38,160
life and death and afterlife and all

1138
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:39,960
that but we do not understand now we

1139
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,640
have our little theories but we know

1140
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:43,740
they're just our little guesses that

1141
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:45,480
whatever it really is is more than that

1142
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:46,980
I come back to the Matrix movies

1143
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:49,980
whatever this other thing is it's really

1144
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:52,440
different and it's way more than I

1145
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:54,900
guessed in fact a lot of my guesses are

1146
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:57,000
wrong and so there's this humbling

1147
00:45:01,370 --> 00:44:59,400
quality of coming back to the altar back

1148
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:01,380
to prayer back to our studies back to

1149
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:03,960
our researching okay let's assume we

1150
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:05,220
don't get it

1151
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,740
how could this be wildly different than

1152
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:09,839
all of our guesses up to this point and

1153
00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:11,940
that's that's the advancement of science

1154
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:13,800
advancement of knowledge but that's also

1155
00:45:19,329 --> 00:45:16,500
a very spiritual stance to be in

1156
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:19,339
with our investment in science and

1157
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,900
Technologies do you think that kills the

1158
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:24,000
religious aspect of of

1159
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,420
ourselves like does it make us not

1160
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:28,800
depend so much on the gods because

1161
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,079
basically we become the gods of the past

1162
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,200
right we can cure diseases uh we can

1163
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:36,300
help blind we can help the deaf hear

1164
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:38,940
like we've become almost what we used to

1165
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:41,640
worship as that change in the Western

1166
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:42,900
World

1167
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:45,000
um because of Technology are we less

1168
00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:47,220
prone to religious and now

1169
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:49,319
because of that we have ufology that

1170
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,900
kicked in and now we're sort of stuck on

1171
00:45:56,569 --> 00:45:53,640
this alien

1172
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:56,579
um or entities from other dimensions

1173
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,440
because it's technologically more

1174
00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,180
advanced and it fits more The Narrative

1175
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,339
that we're at right now well there's a

1176
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,800
shift in language so we're using more

1177
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:06,960
technical language

1178
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:10,140
um I think religion is very hearty and

1179
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:12,119
we'll find a way to reformulate itself

1180
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:15,000
because we need it okay but we need well

1181
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:17,400
both sides of the Louis and I were just

1182
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:20,280
discussing both some explanations and

1183
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,660
some acknowledgment of mystery we need

1184
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:23,520
both sides of that and we'll find a way

1185
00:46:28,609 --> 00:46:25,020
to do that

1186
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:28,619
um I I do think that it's um

1187
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:31,319
a difficult transition because a lot of

1188
00:46:36,349 --> 00:46:34,140
people like kind of like the old way we

1189
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:36,359
did it is comforting is familiar is the

1190
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:37,740
way I learned when I was three and four

1191
00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:39,660
and five so therefore it has a kind of

1192
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:43,079
patina of Truth just for having on a

1193
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,700
person a little bit around and just

1194
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:46,319
historically been around for a long time

1195
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:48,420
in the sociology of religion they talk

1196
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,760
about how religion a religious Authority

1197
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:53,280
grows it grows through a time machine

1198
00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:55,800
that if somebody tells a story and says

1199
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,780
yeah I think God might have a long beard

1200
00:47:01,730 --> 00:47:00,000
and then their children says God has a

1201
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:01,740
long beard and then their children says

1202
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:04,200
God has a long beard how do you know oh

1203
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:06,420
it is just true it's true but actually

1204
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:08,339
it was just great grandfather's guess

1205
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:11,160
right and and the guess part gets lost

1206
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:13,319
in time and it gets more and more

1207
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:15,000
concrete well it gets more and more

1208
00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:17,640
certain to the point where it's smug

1209
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:20,579
it's like our God is a white guy and

1210
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:22,260
white robes with a white beard and

1211
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,520
that's that and your God isn't true

1212
00:47:28,849 --> 00:47:25,680
because he isn't doesn't look like that

1213
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:28,859
well are you sure oh absolutely it's

1214
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:31,859
always been so it's the absolute truth

1215
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,540
but these people you know they're wrong

1216
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:35,040
they're they're all going to go to hell

1217
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:36,540
or something because they've got you

1218
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:38,579
know this we have to have a revolution

1219
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:40,740
from time to time and clear out some of

1220
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:43,260
this dust and and try to come back

1221
00:47:49,309 --> 00:47:47,400
stupid so innocent open uh receptive to

1222
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:49,319
maybe another way of looking at it and

1223
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:50,339
frankly

1224
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:53,220
whatever all of our interpretations our

1225
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,260
guesswork based on our own culture based

1226
00:48:00,109 --> 00:47:57,119
on some familiar image that we are

1227
00:48:01,549 --> 00:48:00,119
applying to something new the gods are

1228
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,559
probably not going to look at all like

1229
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:02,880
human beings I come back to the film

1230
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:04,140
arrival they're probably going to be

1231
00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:05,700
what was the heptopods or something

1232
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:08,760
they're looking like weird fire squid or

1233
00:48:13,609 --> 00:48:10,920
something yeah uh and that's just a

1234
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:13,619
movie guess but at least it's weird and

1235
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,300
and okay we're not going to understand

1236
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,040
them and they're they're going to use an

1237
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:19,680
atmosphere we can't use and we're okay

1238
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,720
there get humble again start from

1239
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:23,700
scratch right yeah

1240
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:25,980
I think it's dangerous anytime man tries

1241
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:28,020
to speak for God especially a lot of

1242
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,339
scripture was written hundreds of years

1243
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,920
after the person in the story

1244
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:34,200
um so it's almost like organized

1245
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:36,900
religion and the politics therein kind

1246
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:40,319
of give God you know God a bad name you

1247
00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:42,180
know it's again you get that depiction

1248
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:43,859
of a white man with a beard throwing

1249
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,660
lightning bolts at people condemning

1250
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,000
them who yet are his creatures that he

1251
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:50,160
supposedly loved and created and knows

1252
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:52,140
nothing about you know negativity or

1253
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:54,780
evil or whatever so I think the story of

1254
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:57,240
God we've written makes his work

1255
00:49:02,510 --> 00:48:59,640
perplexing you know he's either the one

1256
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:02,520
in omnipotent and cannot be defined or

1257
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,920
it isn't and I think the more that we

1258
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,079
get stuck on the dots and the eyes and

1259
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:09,119
the t's in the paper we're missing the

1260
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,619
forest because there's too many trees in

1261
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:12,900
the way you know the the lightning bolt

1262
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:14,280
but that part is particularly cool

1263
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,460
though yeah we do trip out on that on

1264
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:19,440
the Ancient Aliens sometimes that that

1265
00:49:25,069 --> 00:49:22,260
even in these rather Dusty stories there

1266
00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:25,079
are Clues to possible technology G that

1267
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:27,000
that could have been a missile or or a

1268
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,220
rocket ship or or a spacecraft of some

1269
00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:31,440
kind and we we see these possibilities

1270
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:34,920
and we you can see how people of limited

1271
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:37,020
technology would interpret it in their

1272
00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:39,300
way they knew about lightning they've

1273
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:41,700
seen that so okay this thing this flash

1274
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,119
is lightning yeah so and some of them

1275
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:46,800
it's not that much of a stretch like if

1276
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:48,420
you look at The Vedas and the ancient

1277
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:51,180
Eastern uh East Indian texts they're

1278
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,160
like they drove pictures of people in

1279
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,440
craft flying around so some Asian

1280
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:57,599
cultures they drew a dragon because it

1281
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,940
was a fire breathing flying snake thing

1282
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:01,680
the only thing their brains could really

1283
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:03,540
wrap around was maybe that's a dragon

1284
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:05,880
but in some other ancient cultures it's

1285
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,740
a lot more specific like it was working

1286
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:10,400
craft with creatures or people inside

1287
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:14,220
having a war in the sky shooting with

1288
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:16,740
with propulsion that sure looks a lot

1289
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,619
yeah or rocket yeah the the mainas is

1290
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:22,079
what they were called yeah yeah the the

1291
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:24,300
uh dragons

1292
00:50:30,349 --> 00:50:27,780
um are a symbol for Renewal uh the

1293
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,359
snakes because any snake creature sheds

1294
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:32,520
its skin and dragon is a mythologized

1295
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,400
snake that also flies so we have the

1296
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:37,920
bridging of the earth actually the most

1297
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:41,700
of the Japanese uh snake Gods start out

1298
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:43,980
as water Gods as a water dragon sea

1299
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,960
dragons and you'll see the location of

1300
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:48,240
Japan surrounded by oceans so a lot of

1301
00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:49,859
their mythology it comes up out of the

1302
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:51,300
out of the sea but you have a bridging

1303
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:53,940
of the Unseen below and then Middle

1304
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,500
Earth where we can see what's going on

1305
00:51:01,069 --> 00:50:57,599
and then the Mysteries above you have a

1306
00:51:03,049 --> 00:51:01,079
a system going on there but I'm very

1307
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:03,059
interested in the renewal theme and that

1308
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,920
is one thing that religion tends to do

1309
00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:06,960
for us culturally and individually is

1310
00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:09,660
give us the prospect of redemption the

1311
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:12,119
prospect of restoration transformation

1312
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,220
into something new something learning is

1313
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:16,440
actually hard and human progress is

1314
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:19,920
wrenching people get hurt Idols get

1315
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,220
smashed certainties get questioned and

1316
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,619
this is going on so if we have an

1317
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:28,559
emerging religion which is my opinion

1318
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,400
um how would we be wise about this set

1319
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,520
of tenants this set of ideas these these

1320
00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:37,200
stories well one thing is try to learn

1321
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:39,059
from the errors of the past and not get

1322
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:41,880
smug not get I know the answer this is

1323
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,040
this is X Y and Z it's not a b and c

1324
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,839
that one over there as well we don't

1325
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,520
know we don't know very much about this

1326
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,440
is very much in the emerging but we can

1327
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:52,020
have our arguments about how many angels

1328
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,180
can dance on the head of a pin and

1329
00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:56,160
whether the little green creatures mean

1330
00:52:00,410 --> 00:51:58,500
us well or harm but we're just guessing

1331
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,420
like crazy we're in way over our heads

1332
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:02,400
here which is what part of the thrill

1333
00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:04,380
and it's interesting because we only had

1334
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,380
really about 75 years now since Roswell

1335
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:10,319
happened and it's sort of sort of new

1336
00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:13,020
for us too we're still figuring out what

1337
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:14,339
this whole thing is but what's

1338
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:16,260
interesting is that it's now moved over

1339
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:18,180
to Congress now Congress is now

1340
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,760
interested in uaps we got the government

1341
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:23,280
military so this is is quite interesting

1342
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,500
in a sense because it's not just

1343
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,599
you know maybe a night idealism that's

1344
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,760
forming within ufology but you also have

1345
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,440
the military looking into it the

1346
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:33,720
government looking into it uh is that

1347
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:35,400
similar to what happened in the past

1348
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:37,800
when religion used to seep into the

1349
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:39,000
government like do you think there's a

1350
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,260
similarity there

1351
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:42,720
yeah I'm smiling because

1352
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,470
you know it was a little bit of a lefty

1353
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:50,160
in college I I don't have a lot of

1354
00:52:53,690 --> 00:52:51,540
respect for how the government does

1355
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,700
things I I the people that come along

1356
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:55,440
and say well this whole thing is it's a

1357
00:52:59,630 --> 00:52:57,420
conspiracy to keep this quiet from us

1358
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:59,640
and I'm thinking our government is

1359
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,260
keeping this thing that bunch of

1360
00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:03,540
Keystone Cops they they they're keeping

1361
00:53:07,730 --> 00:53:05,819
this big secret I don't think so I don't

1362
00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:07,740
I just don't think they do that good I

1363
00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:09,240
don't I don't have that much respect for

1364
00:53:13,069 --> 00:53:11,220
their work yeah

1365
00:53:16,849 --> 00:53:13,079
once in a while they pull something good

1366
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,859
off they got us to the moon but uh yeah

1367
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,720
it is kind of interesting that it's

1368
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:20,960
getting a little bit of respect and that

1369
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:23,400
in intellectual history there's a model

1370
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:25,980
that first of all oh no what this new

1371
00:53:31,549 --> 00:53:28,440
idea complete nonsense you you guys are

1372
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:31,559
stupid or crazy in no way and then then

1373
00:53:36,109 --> 00:53:34,200
more evidence is presented and now

1374
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,119
you're completely raving that and then

1375
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:37,680
more evidence is presented and then the

1376
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:40,500
the the third stage is oh yeah of course

1377
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,660
we always said that yeah it's always

1378
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:44,880
been like that it's always and we and we

1379
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:47,460
said it first I mean you all of a sudden

1380
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,800
there's a pivot moment when instead of

1381
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:51,680
it being foolishness it's it's it's

1382
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:53,880
common knowledge you're just talking

1383
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,740
about what everybody knows right but

1384
00:53:59,450 --> 00:53:57,119
yesterday you totally called us crazy

1385
00:54:01,069 --> 00:53:59,460
what I don't remember that yeah how can

1386
00:54:02,690 --> 00:54:01,079
they admit that they've had this info

1387
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,700
all along and have ruined people's

1388
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:04,559
careers and all the rest they're just

1389
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:05,880
going to let disclosure kind of happen

1390
00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:08,099
and then go along the train with

1391
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,900
everybody else like oh yeah we we always

1392
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:12,480
knew too or be just as surprised as

1393
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:14,220
everyone else wow we didn't see that

1394
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:15,900
coming you know they have to say faith

1395
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,640
somehow because of the implication

1396
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,160
behind what it would mean if they really

1397
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:22,079
did know and didn't say anything we

1398
00:54:27,049 --> 00:54:23,940
wouldn't trust them ever again that's

1399
00:54:30,349 --> 00:54:27,059
right yeah yeah a wiley crew if you ever

1400
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:30,359
found one uh I like the theory that some

1401
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,020
people who know more about all this are

1402
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,000
carefully sneaking out information in

1403
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,160
the form of Highly speculative movies

1404
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:40,920
yeah and so the real information is in

1405
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,660
is in the movies

1406
00:54:48,049 --> 00:54:45,359
um I actually I I'm smiling because I I

1407
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:48,059
don't think that literally I do think

1408
00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:50,700
that in a in a kind of psychological

1409
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,579
sense that it's not just that the

1410
00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:56,160
government are unwilling to admit things

1411
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:58,440
it's that the culture is not quite ready

1412
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:01,319
for it we're getting ready it's it's

1413
00:55:06,289 --> 00:55:03,900
rolling out it's beginning to be

1414
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:06,299
acknowledged and and what it I'm

1415
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:08,460
referring to isn't specifically UAP it's

1416
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,440
that there's more than we know it's more

1417
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,240
than Western Civilization has

1418
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:13,920
acknowledged there are a whole bunch of

1419
00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:16,680
loose ends and and and we need to get

1420
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,359
humble and start studying some things

1421
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:20,640
that we put off the table way way too

1422
00:55:24,430 --> 00:55:21,720
long

1423
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:24,440
um so so it's interesting the way we

1424
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,720
carefully proceed first of all the

1425
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,520
artists get a hold of it they are are

1426
00:55:32,809 --> 00:55:30,960
great artists now or the well-paid

1427
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:32,819
artists the makers of movies because the

1428
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:35,040
money is there and so the like the

1429
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:36,420
Medici

1430
00:55:41,289 --> 00:55:38,819
um what would have been Romantic Poets

1431
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:41,299
in another area the screenwriters today

1432
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:44,280
and they tend and Joseph Campbell noted

1433
00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:45,900
that the artists are like

1434
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:48,359
um like the canaries in mines they're

1435
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,460
they're more sensitive than others they

1436
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:52,319
will be aware of things that others

1437
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:54,599
would miss and it will get into their

1438
00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:56,280
poetry and their painting in their

1439
00:56:01,849 --> 00:55:58,859
movies it will it will it will roll out

1440
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:01,859
in fictional form before the culture can

1441
00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:05,760
handle it in scientific reports so

1442
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:07,980
um keep watching the movies

1443
00:56:12,130 --> 00:56:10,140
and your shows and the shows that you're

1444
00:56:14,329 --> 00:56:12,140
on yeah they're educative

1445
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,339
where can people uh where can people

1446
00:56:18,109 --> 00:56:16,260
follow you or get more information on

1447
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:18,119
you and your career and what uh you've

1448
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:19,440
gotten yeah one of the things I've

1449
00:56:25,089 --> 00:56:22,740
written about I post virtue all of my uh

1450
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:25,099
articles on my website which is

1451
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:28,980
folkestory.com or just uh

1452
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:30,900
um Google my name Jonathan Young and

1453
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:32,460
ancient aliens or something and you'll

1454
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,020
you'll get to it

1455
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:36,720
um but folkestory.com and I've got links

1456
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:39,000
to some free lectures and things on

1457
00:56:44,030 --> 00:56:41,339
YouTube and that kind of thing

1458
00:56:46,609 --> 00:56:44,040
um the ideas I'm mainly interested are

1459
00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:46,619
are how movies are leading our culture

1460
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:50,280
to new possibilities of psychologically

1461
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,140
I think we have this powerful visual

1462
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:54,960
form of communication that is doing more

1463
00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:57,440
than just entertain us I think it is

1464
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,460
enlightening is not intentionally

1465
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:01,920
although actually when when they made

1466
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:05,119
2001 the filmmakers very intentionally

1467
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:08,099
brought some very Advanced philosophical

1468
00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:10,980
ideas and they told the studio oh it's a

1469
00:57:16,010 --> 00:57:13,859
it's kind of a A Space Adventure you

1470
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:16,020
know it'll sell out tickets and so they

1471
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,940
said they unintentionally made up

1472
00:57:23,569 --> 00:57:20,400
profoundly religious movie for multiple

1473
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,579
a huge budget which did very well but

1474
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,440
the filmmakers were being tricksters

1475
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:27,599
they were they were purposely sneaking

1476
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,460
an idea that the studio if they knew

1477
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:30,720
what they were doing would not have put

1478
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:32,700
that kind of money into and it had a

1479
00:57:36,829 --> 00:57:34,500
profound effect on our sense of

1480
00:57:39,049 --> 00:57:36,839
ourselves because while we're

1481
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:39,059
discovering otherness and other kind

1482
00:57:44,329 --> 00:57:41,160
whether they are little green or tall

1483
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:44,339
silver or or heptopods we're discovering

1484
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:46,020
our own

1485
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:50,160
vulnerability we're discovering a lot

1486
00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:52,380
about our yearning to know something

1487
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,339
that is just beyond ordinary thinking so

1488
00:58:02,690 --> 00:57:59,040
this is a mere or a psychological mirror

1489
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:02,700
to humanity the whole UAP UFO thing is

1490
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:05,700
about us going through a huge change it

1491
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:07,020
actually goes back a little before

1492
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:09,240
Russell there were 1890s there were some

1493
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:11,339
dirigible like sightings and things and

1494
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:13,260
then and you know as in the show we can

1495
00:58:17,329 --> 00:58:15,000
go back much earlier and say yeah well

1496
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,339
what about this 3 000 years ago we've

1497
00:58:23,089 --> 00:58:19,920
got a little clue here but in the modern

1498
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,099
era really in the 1800s things started

1499
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:25,920
and then picked up speed in the 40s uh

1500
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:29,040
something new or at least a new form of

1501
00:58:36,049 --> 00:58:33,119
of Enlightenment from above is happening

1502
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,059
or like rediscovery or rediscovering

1503
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,920
something that we've lost right that's a

1504
00:58:42,349 --> 00:58:40,079
very good point yeah that that we that

1505
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,359
we do lose so much that usually when

1506
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:44,160
something is new it's actually something

1507
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,260
we didn't follow up on long ago that's a

1508
00:58:50,809 --> 00:58:48,480
good point perfect Jonathan thank you so

1509
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:50,819
much for joining us on UAP studies we've

1510
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:53,220
we had a blast we hope you can come back

1511
00:58:57,470 --> 00:58:56,040
and and have another uh another go at

1512
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,480
this because I think we can talk for

1513
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,520
hours on this subject for sure great fun

1514
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:01,380
you guys are doing a great work to keep

1515
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:04,610
up the uh keep up the show